This episode concludes the “Letters” mini-podcast. Based on their collaborative visual arts project “Letters to Our Unborn Children: An Exploration of a Woman’s Decision to Remain Child-Free by Choice,” hosts Sarah Saturday and Tarri Driver reflect on their podcast journey.

Tarri Driver is a lifelong creative artist with a wide range of independent, academic, professional and therapeutic arts experience. Her decade of work as an art therapist in Nashville (in public schools and a children’s hospital) — along with her experience teaching college-level art therapy courses and later years as an independent art instructor—inform both her worldview and her art. Since relocating from Nashville to a small town in East Tennessee, she has retired from her career as an art therapist and re-embraced artmaking from her home studio, where she writes, illustrates, publishes original work, designs commissions and devises new creative projects. Forthcoming works include writing and illustrating the third children’s book in her Lunar Mooner Lula series, and a new book of short stories for adults, (working title) Pursuing Terra Firma.

Sarah Saturday is an innovative musician and multimedia performance artist based in Nashville, TN. Over the past 15 years, Sarah has made a name for herself with her boundary-pushing artistic expression, combining music, film, dance, spoken word, and visual art into immersive, interdisciplinary experiences. Her work spans numerous albums, film scores, and performance pieces, and she has collaborated extensively with artists across mediums. A 2024 recipient of the Tennessee Arts Commission Individual Artist Fellowship, Sarah’s work is celebrated for its emotional depth, conceptual richness, and striking visual language. Since 2007, she has performed over 200 shows throughout the U.S. and Canada, with her music featured in films, TV shows, and commercials. Her film scoring credits include the Discovery Channel’s Dark Side of the Sun and the independent film Superpowerless. After relocating from Los Angeles to Nashville in 2012, Sarah expanded her artistic practice by incorporating film and choreography into her live performances. Her latest project, Voyage, premiered to sold-out audiences in Nashville (2023) and Los Angeles (2024).

Recorded on May 8, 2025

Additional Links:
Official Letters Project Website: letterstoourunbornchildren.com
Tarri’s Artist Website: tarridriver.com
Sarah’s Artist Website: sarahsaturday.com

This episode introduces the next of 12 letters from their collaborative visual arts project “Letters to Our Unborn Children: An Exploration of a Woman’s Decision to Remain Child-Free by Choice.” Hosts Sarah Saturday and Tarri Driver discuss the “Martyr” archetype behind the Letter, and share their research and insights around the themes in the Letter. They also interview two Buddhist nuns – Sisters Brightness and Splendid Moon – from the Magnolia Grove Monastery. The Sisters share about their experiences entering and devoting themselves to the (joyful!) monastic life, and, as part of that decision, their choosing not to have children.

Sisters Brightness and Splendid Moon are Buddhist nuns who have dedicated their lives to the teachings of the Buddha and Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Practicing boundless love, meditation, and joy, the Sisters guide others and build community through special programs and retreats, easing suffering and promoting goodness.

Born and raised in Hue, Central Vietnam—a land rich in Buddhist tradition—Sister Tr?ng C?m Tú (Sister Splendid Moon) grew up surrounded by the teachings of the Buddha, which instilled a deep spiritual foundation. Yet, as a child, she grappled with profound questions: Who am I? What is true happiness? How can I live a meaningful life? Her path became clear in her teenage years when She encountered the Plum Village tradition of Buddhism and the teachings of her teacher- Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. At age 18, while preparing to enter university, she decided to embrace the monastic life. She was ordained in Plum Village Thailand in 2013. Over the past 12 years, she has practiced and lived in various monasteries, including Dieu Tram (Viet Nam), Plum Village (France), and now Magnolia Grove Monastery (MS, USA). This journey has filled her with profound joy and purpose. She dedicates her days to practicing boundless love—bringing joy to others in the morning and helping ease their suffering in the afternoon. She also shares her practice with children and teens, guiding them through special programs in retreats. Beyond her spiritual and community work, she finds joy in creative expression, particularly drawing and calligraphy, which further enriches her practice and life.

Sister Man Nghiem, which translates into Sister Brightness, is Chinese-Vietnamese-American and grew up in North Carolina, California, and France. In 1998, she became a novice aspirant in Plum Village, France and in 1999 ordained as a novice nun. She began her Siksamana training in 2004 and also became an Order of Interbeing Member also in 2004. She received her Bhikshuni ordination in 2006. In 2008, she received her dharma lamp and became a dharma teacher. She moved back to California in 2010, this time to Deer Park Monastery, a sister monastery of Plum Village, near San Diego and then relocated to MS, to another sister monastery called Magnolia Grove Monastery, in 2021. She enjoys leading worldwide meditation retreats with her community, including retreats with programs for youth and young adults. A fun fact is that she is the 101th monastic student of Zen Master TNH and was often teased as the 101th Dalmatian. Another fun fact is that she enjoys taking on the challenge of finding foolproof recipes for plant based desserts to prove they can too be just as delish!

Recorded on Jan 2, 2025

Additional Links:
You are Mother Earth | Brother Phap Dung
Magnolia Grove Monastery: https://magnoliagrovemonastery.org/
Plum Village: https://plumvillage.org/

Find more about the Letters project at letterstoourunbornchildren.com

This episode introduces the next of 12 letters from their collaborative visual arts project “Letters to Our Unborn Children: An Exploration of a Woman’s Decision to Remain Child-Free by Choice.” Hosts Sarah Saturday and Tarri Driver discuss the “Martyr” archetype behind the Letter, and share their research and insights around the themes in the Letter. They also interview two Buddhist nuns – Sisters Brightness and Splendid Moon – from the Magnolia Grove Monastery. The Sisters share about their experiences entering and devoting themselves to the (joyful!) monastic life, and, as part of that decision, their choosing not to have children.

Sisters Brightness and Splendid Moon are Buddhist nuns who have dedicated their lives to the teachings of the Buddha and Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Practicing boundless love, meditation, and joy, the Sisters guide others and build community through special programs and retreats, easing suffering and promoting goodness.

Born and raised in Hue, Central Vietnam—a land rich in Buddhist tradition—Sister Tr?ng C?m Tú (Sister Splendid Moon) grew up surrounded by the teachings of the Buddha, which instilled a deep spiritual foundation. Yet, as a child, she grappled with profound questions: Who am I? What is true happiness? How can I live a meaningful life? Her path became clear in her teenage years when She encountered the Plum Village tradition of Buddhism and the teachings of her teacher- Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. At age 18, while preparing to enter university, she decided to embrace the monastic life. She was ordained in Plum Village Thailand in 2013. Over the past 12 years, she has practiced and lived in various monasteries, including Dieu Tram (Viet Nam), Plum Village (France), and now Magnolia Grove Monastery (MS, USA). This journey has filled her with profound joy and purpose. She dedicates her days to practicing boundless love—bringing joy to others in the morning and helping ease their suffering in the afternoon. She also shares her practice with children and teens, guiding them through special programs in retreats. Beyond her spiritual and community work, she finds joy in creative expression, particularly drawing and calligraphy, which further enriches her practice and life.

Sister Man Nghiem, which translates into Sister Brightness, is Chinese-Vietnamese-American and grew up in North Carolina, California, and France. In 1998, she became a novice aspirant in Plum Village, France and in 1999 ordained as a novice nun. She began her Siksamana training in 2004 and also became an Order of Interbeing Member also in 2004. She received her Bhikshuni ordination in 2006. In 2008, she received her dharma lamp and became a dharma teacher. She moved back to California in 2010, this time to Deer Park Monastery, a sister monastery of Plum Village, near San Diego and then relocated to MS, to another sister monastery called Magnolia Grove Monastery, in 2021. She enjoys leading worldwide meditation retreats with her community, including retreats with programs for youth and young adults. A fun fact is that she is the 101th monastic student of Zen Master TNH and was often teased as the 101th Dalmatian. Another fun fact is that she enjoys taking on the challenge of finding foolproof recipes for plant based desserts to prove they can too be just as delish!

Recorded on Jan 2, 2025

Additional Links:
Magnolia Grove Monastery: https://magnoliagrovemonastery.org/
Plum Village: https://plumvillage.org/

Find more about the Letters project at letterstoourunbornchildren.com

On this special episode, hosts Sarah Saturday and Tarri Driver interview three men who have decided not to have children to find out more about the male / non-female perspective on this complicated topic. They are joined by Chris Driver, Daniel Jones, and Jeremy Lister.

Chris Driver, a professional writer/editor since 2010, has written about science at Oak Ridge National Laboratory since 2023. Before his writing career finally began, he did several restaurant tours of duty, drove a truck to deliver and repossess portable storage barns, sold computers and sporting goods, dabbled in landscaping, parked cars at fancy parties in Nashville, toured most of the USA in a punk rock band, and worked construction and cleaned fishing boats in Alaska. Virtually no one has read the book he wrote about all of that. He enjoys a variety of rock and jazz music, loves to read widely and is a bit of a film geek but isn’t much of a podcast guy. Happily married since 2006 to his best friend, the artist Tarri Driver, he has reluctantly agreed to invest further in that happiness by talking on her public podcast about his personal feelings.

Daniel Jones is a Nashville-based creative producer, dramaturg, writer, and director passionate about facilitating shared live arts experiences that ignite social change. In 2022, the Nashville Scene named him “Best Advocate for Artists.” He serves as the Associate Director of Programming & Partnerships at OZ Arts Nashville where he has supported hundreds of visiting artists from around the world, including companies from Brazil, Japan, Chile, Germany, South Africa, France, and more. He also works closely with Nashville artists as they develop new works in OZ’s unique 10,000 square-foot creative warehouse, including the annual Brave New Works Lab. Additionally, as the Co-Founder & Producing Artistic Director of the nonprofit organization Kindling Arts, Daniel has worked with hundreds of Nashville-based artists to launch more than 120 unique artistic experiences since the organization was founded in 2018. Kindling’s programming has been hailed by the Nashville Scene as “freewheeling, uncensored and full of heart, pushing the boundaries of what we imagine performance art to be.” Daniel’s creative producing credits include The Naughty Tree, an interdisciplinary, queer retelling of the Garden of Eden creation story; two installments of Heroic Couplets: Poetry into Film Collaborations with Defy Film Festival; and HAUNTED, a multimedia, immersive experience inspired by the deadliest train crash in American history. He is joyfully living child-free, which allows him lots of time to create art and invest in his local community. He plans to remain childless until he is in the grave.

Jeremy Lister is a songwriter with Big Yellow Dog, a background vocalist for Post Malone, and a founding member of Street Corner Symphony from NBC’s The Sing-Off. Beyond music, he co-owns Blister Hot Sauce with his brothers and is an avid runner, having completed two 100-mile ultramarathons. Most importantly, he is happily married to the most beautiful and brilliant person on the planet: Sarah Saturday.

Recorded on Mar 20, 2025

Additional Links:
Chris Driver: hardbarned.com/
Daniel Jones: kindlingarts.com/
Jeremy Lister:
@jeremyblister
blisterhotsauce.com
jeremylister.com

Find more about the Letters project at letterstoourunbornchildren.com